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Do all Magic Drive external floppy drives die?!?!

 
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SpooNMan



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:37 pm    Post subject: Do all Magic Drive external floppy drives die?!?! Reply with quote

I just received a second NOS Magic Drive external floppy and the disk drive is dead (Light just stays on and it says NO DISK). This is the second brand new (old stock) boxed unit where the floppy drive appears to be DOA. Is this a common problem with these drives or something?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I assume you're powering the drive correctly?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

madman wrote:
I assume you're powering the drive correctly?


Yeah, Tomy confirmed the DC 9V 1.2A (Genesis model 1 adapter). It's working fine with a spare floppy drive I found, but both boxed units had dead TEAC drives.

I guess it's possible the seller knows they are not working for one reason or another, but doesn't realize it's the floppy drives and that they are easy to replace. He seems to have a bunch, but is selling them for $76 shipped.

One of them I think was having problems because the plastic bottom piece was pushing against the rotating part of the floppy drive. I put some spacers between the plastic and the screws and it seems to work fine now.

The other though just makes a loud humming noise, so it's probably dead.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the person on EBay? Even for a supposedly NOS drive, that's a lot of money. If you bought a couple, are you interested in selling a box from one of them?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

madman wrote:
This is the person on EBay? Even for a supposedly NOS drive, that's a lot of money. If you bought a couple, are you interested in selling a box from one of them?


Yeah, on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/Super-Magicom-Save-SNES-games-onto-Floppy-Disk-Drive-/170544917851?pt=Video_Games_Accessories&hash=item27b544ed5b

I'd like to sell the second as a boxed set for $50 or so.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a) stop using mega drive psu's for copiers and/or floppies, they are to strong.

b) a magic drive is an generic stock 1.44MB floppy drive, value < $5, the little pcb in the back of the drive just holds an regulator and a relais.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CrackLtd wrote:
a) stop using mega drive psu's for copiers and/or floppies, they are to strong.

b) a magic drive is an generic stock 1.44MB floppy drive, value < $5, the little pcb in the back of the drive just holds an regulator and a relais.


I know floppy drives are cheap. Actually more like .35 around here.

I am a collector of this stuff as well as a gamer so I would still want an original boxed unit for my collection either way.

If I didn't care about collecting this stuff I would just emulate it or buy a $65 EverDrive.

It seems like there are still quite a few people in need of an external floppy drive. If they are so easy to build you should make a few and offer them on here. The guy I bought mine from has sold about 4 of them so far.

Also, what do you suggest to use for a power supply? The Genesis 9volt/1.2a seems to be working fine and not the cause of the bad drives.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too powerful? I could see your point if the voltage was higher than needed for the regulator which takes it down to 5v anyway. But excess amperage? Unless the device draws it, it makes no difference.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am no tech, but even i know that a high ampare value rises the actual voltage output. Lets say you have an 9V/1,2 Amps PSU and the unit you use it with only draws 400mA the resulting Voltage is around 12Volt wich of course is way to high. The given Volatage value is only true if the drawn ampare matches the value the PSU is giving. Otherwise the Voltage is varying. So, 9V/1,2Amps is to strong for any of the copiers and is to strong for the magic drives. The Sega Mega Drive PSU has 10V(!) by an Ampare Value of 1,0. Which is to strong. Easy as this. The regulator tries to compansate to much power with produced heat, there is point where the regulator cant stand that anymore. In most cases of broken copiers and magic drives just this regulator is broken. Wrong polarity will destroy this regulator most times instantly. -- There is Wallplug PSUs that have fixed Ampare Output but with selectable Voltage and polarity selector. Also most times they come with exchangable plugs. Choose one with 800mA, these are perfect to use. If you have one with a fixed Ampare value of 1 or 1,2 select 7,5V instead of 9V. On units that draw around 800mAh that will result again in around an effective output of 9V.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this something that only applies to Direct Current? Because otherwise that would totally mess up AC power in your house. Outlets in the US are around 110v to 120v. But the amperage you get depends on your electrical service, not everyone has say a 200 amp service. Really I've never heard anything like what you are saying before. I do agree that with voltage you don't want too much as the regulator will just have to bring it down to 5v. I've always used my Sega MD Model 1 PSU for my Game Doctors and Double Pro Fighter. Haven't had any problems.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CrackLtd wrote:
I am no tech, but even i know that a high ampare value rises the actual voltage output. Lets say you have an 9V/1,2 Amps PSU and the unit you use it with only draws 400mA the resulting Voltage is around 12Volt wich of course is way to high. The given Volatage value is only true if the drawn ampare matches the value the PSU is giving. Otherwise the Voltage is varying. So, 9V/1,2Amps is to strong for any of the copiers and is to strong for the magic drives. The Sega Mega Drive PSU has 10V(!) by an Ampare Value of 1,0. Which is to strong. Easy as this. The regulator tries to compansate to much power with produced heat, there is point where the regulator cant stand that anymore. In most cases of broken copiers and magic drives just this regulator is broken. Wrong polarity will destroy this regulator most times instantly. -- There is Wallplug PSUs that have fixed Ampare Output but with selectable Voltage and polarity selector. Also most times they come with exchangable plugs. Choose one with 800mA, these are perfect to use. If you have one with a fixed Ampare value of 1 or 1,2 select 7,5V instead of 9V. On units that draw around 800mAh that will result again in around an effective output of 9V.

Incorrect.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If that were true, we could simply use 1V power supplies with varying ampere/current ratings. Of course, this makes no sense; you'd just get varying charge flow rates of 1V.

I would guess that most voltage regulators are blown due to someone using an AC Adapter with incorrect polarity since copier power supply circuits don't have bridge rectifiers.
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